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Poster: smgarcia Date: Mar 25, 2008 8:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: What is Phil And Ned?

And who in the world is Ned? Phil's pet monkey? All I hear is a bass string plucked every 3 seconds and a bunch of feedback noise in the background.

Anyone care to explain the etiology of Phil And Ned?

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Poster: abilene22 Date: Mar 25, 2008 11:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

I've had the '74 Jai-Alai show for many years but the 'seastones' portion was missing and I never heard it until today. Wasn't missing much. One of the reviewers equates it to torture and that might be overstating it a bit, but with the wall of sound blasting at 26,000 watts...

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Poster: craven714 Date: Mar 25, 2008 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

yeah, the lsd isnt that good lately...
sad

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 25, 2008 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

Maybe not everyone's cup of tea, but definitely an early pioneer in ambient sound/noise/electronica - and god bless the crowd of heads that could allow a band this "indulgence":

http://www.gdhour.com/transcripts/lagin.010203.html

http://www.well.com/conf/gdhour/latvala.970226.html

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Poster: Lou Psypher Date: Mar 25, 2008 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

The heads that "allowed the indulgence" probably used the time to take a piss or get a beer. You know, like a Brent tune.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Mar 25, 2008 9:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-06-23.sbd.cribbs.16780.sbeok.shnf

Here is a Phil & Ned session sandwiched inbetween
one THE finest shows ever

go for the "seastones" stay for the DS>spanish>U.S. Bluz

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Mar 25, 2008 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

Ned is Ned Lagin. Phil and Ned released an album called Seastones back in '74 I think. Ned toured with them and the Wall of Sound and played a set between the first and second sets, usually lasting around 15 minutes or so. My understanding of this was that it was Phil's experiment with music (sounds really) and how they affect the body, sort of a bio-feedback experiment. What better lab could be had? A bunch of dosed people open to anything. I could just see them saying, "Let's try this and then that and see what happens, see how they react".

I'm sure someone else can give a better explanation for this.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Mar 25, 2008 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

I recall reading or hearing the words - Electro Cybernetic Biomusic associated with Seastones/Phil & Ned...

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 25, 2008 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

noise to me. In all my DL's, I don't include Seastones
I know, me bad.

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Mar 25, 2008 1:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

Yeah, I'm going to "uncheck" that song from my iTunes library. It's almost unbearable in my opinion. Hmm...you just made me think of another topic or two that I have been wanting to get your opinion from all of you. Stay tuned for one or two more posts...

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Poster: patkelley Date: Mar 25, 2008 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

In the earlyish 70s Garcia and Phil met this guy named Ned Lagin, who was working on things at MIT (I think) and sent the GD a letter about stuff he was working on that they might find interesting. Phil and Jerry met him after or around a show some time later, and Phil and Ned hooked up to make weird music at some GD shows and a CD called "Seastones."

Now, could you explain "etiology?"

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 25, 2008 8:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

I'd always understood etiology to be the origin/cause of a disease - nice choice of words (or poor depending on your view of seastones).

I still think it was ballsy by the Dead - to experiment on folks like that and with the sound. Who's to say what corner they turned doing the same?

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Mar 25, 2008 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

Yea, etiology is most often used in medicine like the etiology of heart disease (the origins of heart disease) but I don't think it's a word specific to medicine.

I just wanted to know the origin and/or the cause of the Phil And Ned Seastones stuff. I'm in medical school right now so all I hear on a regular basis is etiology this and etiology that. :)

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Poster: patkelley Date: Mar 25, 2008 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

I've never heard that word before, but the online dictionaries seem to agree with you that it's the cause of a disease. I don't really know the original poster, but I don't think that that was a really clever joke.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 25, 2008 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

I think he indicated in his post yesterday that he is a medical student so he/she may have used the word because it is close his/her profession (Bluedevil is correct it is usually associated with origin of a disease). Don't you attorneys use lawyerly words or phrases in your everyday language on occasion?

Recently overheard in the household of PK and BD.

"Yes sweetheart I will help you with your help homework but as long as you understand that I currently bill on 6 min intervals. It really is for your benefit."

Ned Lagin actually played with the band on occasion as early as 1970 but was often off stage. I think Earl pointed out in a earlier thread on subject (i think it was one of JOTS') that he had to plug in to the vocal stack on the wall of sound because a flaw in the design in the PA system (they didn't consider the possibility of someone else joining the band on stage). I can't really listen to that stuff by agree they should be given credit for trying something different.


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Poster: bluedevil Date: Mar 25, 2008 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

But please understand that pursuant to the retainer agreement you signed that while I bill in 6 minute intervals, the minimum I bill for any endavor is actually 12 minutes. (.2 - see Article IV(1)(c)(a)(iiiiiiiiiiiii).)

To the task at hand, "do you like them in the rain, do you like them on a train?"

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Poster: patkelley Date: Mar 25, 2008 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

Our firm used to use this program called AMICUS Attorney that actually did default everything to 12 minutes- even a 30 second phone call. We hadn't really included specific language about that in our fee agreements, plus it didn't really matter since many of our cases at the time were contingency cases. Well, we got called on it by a judge during an attorney's fees hearing and we had to change the whole system.

Personally, I sign up clients with a cash retainer and bill in whole-hour increments just to avoid the problems associated with those little tasks. Sometimes, though, the .1 hour time entry is unavoidable, even if it does translate to only $22.50 on a bill.

Also, I don;t have kids or a wife, so no reason to bill my family for homework, but I get the humor.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 25, 2008 10:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

most certainly in box with a fox (but don't tell my wife, she may call a lawyer)

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Mar 25, 2008 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

ned is also the piano player on the studio version of candyman from album American Reality.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Mar 25, 2008 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

In the earlyish 70s Garcia and Phil met this guy named Ned Lagin, who was working on things at MIT (I think) and sent the GD a letter about stuff he was working on that they might find interesting. Phil and Jerry met him after or around a show some time later, and Phil and Ned hooked up to make weird music at some GD shows and a CD called "Seastones."

Now, could you explain "etiology?"

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Mar 25, 2008 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

got 75 lp right here

back cover:

seastones - written and composed (1971-1974) by ned lagin
side one - I; II; III-A,-B; IV-A,-B; V-A
side two - V-B; VI; VII

interdata7/16 computer with high speed arithmetic logic unit,E? Modulator Synthesizer, Arp 2500, ARP Odyssey, Electro-Comp, Buchla Modulator System, Programmable Bioelectronic I/O Microprocessor (Intel 8080), prepared piano, clavichord, organ

http://www.philzone.com/leshlinks/seastones.html

it was an early computerised psychedelia attempt. used to dig it a lot

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Poster: ruffruff Date: Mar 25, 2008 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

That's why you'll get a D-.

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Poster: abilene22 Date: Mar 25, 2008 12:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What is Phil And Ned?

ouch (also the sound heard after listening to seastones)